Discussion centers on protests/strikes and economic hardship: repeated lines include "many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest," "Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone...cuz we have no money," and "They aren’t expendable." Replies accuse others of being "out of touch" or "spineless."
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You know what I think? I think if you don’t live in the US currently, you don’t get to tell us what we’re doing too much of, not enough of; you don’t get to chastise, berate, attack us without offering even a modicum of collaboration. If that’s all you have, we don’t need it. You can keep it.
"The translate function on Twitter is very good at showing that racism is not isolated to, or even particularly concentrated, in the United States. Holy hell it’s rough out there"
That’s pretty interesting. Never considered that further terrifying possibility that it actually increased bigotry stateside. I’ll add that to my nightmares
I was gonna try to be fancy but there's no way I won't sound above my league, so I'll just say: I sometimes try to think about the psychology of what drives the apathy of people who have real power to solve an important issue but choose not to. This is for many things btw, like why it seems like-
love how gringos need coping mechanisms while the countries you monsters torment need an outright miracle of survival to not be under the yolk of your tyranny I have 0 empathy for the US citizenry because you always like to make it about yourselves, always how YOU feel not how others lives are lost
Most ppl in the US live paycheck to paycheck and cannot afford to do a general strike. I swear you all have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about but have so much advice. Your view is funnily enough the same view you lot complain us US ppl have when we view other countries. Do better.
'Powershoot' my literal neighbors here in Netherlands of all my staying places for their radiation attacks on me & my mom to get themselves pharma cheese money out of mass murder on 150mln Chinese women overseas after abusing them for ID fraud crimes with our stolen ID details and clear all names.
"I’m not excusing the horrible actions we as a nation have done But many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone who would die wo med care, food, & rent cuz we have no money. They aren’t expendable"
So do not mistake being incapable of doing something with being too afraid to do anything. If you do, you all will keep repeating the same mistakes. The horizon is open, it is always open. So do not tell us it is closed for you specifically for we can see it. It is open. But you won't reach for it.
"Listen as an American I would deal with hardship if it was an option but if I just stopped going to work one day and held a sign for 8 hours for a week saying I’m on strike the fuck is that gonna do"
maybe I will someday. I’m beginning to think my existence is inherently a negative that’s making the world worse. I consume and I have the gall to feel guilty about it. what’s even the point of trying? My conscience will never be clear
The social consciousness in the US has been extremely effectively atomized. You can do collective action, but from my experience it's like pulling a gallstone without anesthesia. I think respectability is part of it, because in talking you learn true disruption "just isn't proper". It's"uncivilized"
"I’m not excusing the horrible actions we as a nation have done But many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone who would die wo med care, food, & rent cuz we have no money. They aren’t expendable"
Everyone wants someone to do something but they themselves are too afraid to do anything. This is the curse of placidity. I won't be harsh - it is too late for you all. But not for us. There are things that could've been done, but you all are too spineless to do them. That ship has sailed.
""Why don't Americans–" Motherfucker, I live in Minneapolis"
I think my favorite part about people truly not understanding what it means to have the monopoly on violence is that they can devise infinite strategies that we can be blamed for not taking / "why don't you just" and nothing will ever convince them
Deal with that fact. This is not me saying "no American has done anything". I hold a deep well of respect to the American radicals of previous decades who are still imprisoned, or who have to stay low because of the threat of retribution for their past activism. Or the people of Minneapolis.
"I’m not excusing the horrible actions we as a nation have done But many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone who would die wo med care, food, & rent cuz we have no money. They aren’t expendable"
And i say this for people here as well. Because the time will come when we will, once again, have our own "Trump" And many will capitulate to legalism while every institution turns a blind eye to police violence We will exhaust the legal means merely as protocol because they will amount to nothing
"I’m not excusing the horrible actions we as a nation have done But many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone who would die wo med care, food, & rent cuz we have no money. They aren’t expendable"
Man, you really collected the full set of Bad Faith Takes in your replies here, huh? :( Sheesh.
"Sure would be slightly more productive if the people demanding every random sub-poverty-line Americans Do Something About It could propose courses of action instead of just fedposting at us. I get it you feel helpless about The Horrors despite wanting to act. Welcome to the American Experience."
I get that they're acting out of frustration that they can't do much of anything but like, demanding other people sacrifice their access to material life needs for the sake of visible short-term action is just rendering a movement unsustainable.
My guy, when I say I'm against imperialism, I mean ALL OF 'EM. ALL COUNTRIES ARE BAD. ALL OF THEM. NO EXCEPTIONS. You know what's wrong with the USA, you know what makes a liberal, LIBERAL, that doesn't mean you BELIEVE it's okay to mimic it in YOUR own way, as I understand how YOU think.
"Sure would be slightly more productive if the people demanding every random sub-poverty-line Americans Do Something About It could propose courses of action instead of just fedposting at us. I get it you feel helpless about The Horrors despite wanting to act. Welcome to the American Experience."
I didn't start with that terminology, I only brought up relative inconvenience of the things being obstructed after they acted like crashing a senator's voicemail system with call volume would have no effect.
I disagree with this. While it’s true we have a shitty history, one of the shittier things we did was sit back in WWII. Not our problem. Except that it was and now that we are a global community, it is even more so. Trump isn’t isolating us. He’s making us everyone’s problem and since he controls
Absolutely not. That's a very simplistic way of looking at things. And the same kind of commentary, could apply to almost any corner of planet Earth. America isn't any worse than any other place. Countries aren't entirely good or bad. Human beings are imperfect. But we're working on it. 👍
"that bourdain quote about “once you've been to cambodia you'll never stop wanting to fight kissinger” but it’s “once you’ve been to standing rock and seen the show of force against indigenous ppl who didn’t want a pipeline through their land in 2016 you’ll stop asking why “americans don’t””"
they were spraying fire hoses at native kids in north dakota, which is further north than toronto, IN NOVEMBER!!!
My country went through a entire dictatorship, we fucked the government so fucking hard, amidst tortures and kidnapping by the GOV mind you, that they just surrendered and we started a 10 YEAR LONG rebuild of hour society. So don't tell me you can't do it, you have DOUBLE of what we had!
it is definitely a universal imperial impulse. in part because it's universally a part of imperial propaganda and psychological inertia. we have to tell ourselves it couldn't get worse or we might never get out of bed in the morning, at least we're not dealing with that, we just have *this* fuckery!
"We cant keep doing this & do a day to day. Everything cumulatively is too emotionally taxing and draining on the nerves for the entire whole. I hate using this analogy b/c of how personal it is to many but this country as a whole has always been a violent, unpredictable abuser w/ a weaponry fetish"
Technically we were founded by capitalist exploiters in Jamestown who brought the first slaves to Virginia a year before the Mayflower landed
that bourdain quote about “once you've been to cambodia you'll never stop wanting to fight kissinger” but it’s “once you’ve been to standing rock and seen the show of force against indigenous ppl who didn’t want a pipeline through their land in 2016 you’ll stop asking why “americans don’t””
We can simultaneously be the country which authored the Declaration of Independence (good) and which had multiple presidents who raped their slaves (bad.) We can be the nation which fought the Nazis (good) and which funded them (bad.) We have to recognize the bad to even be able to fight it.
""This is not who we are" should always be understood as an aspirational statement": in other words it's a lie. It's a lie that people tell you that you have to believe or you are somehow dishonoring the people who worked against the system, many of whom thought it was better to lie to you as well.
Sure would be slightly more productive if the people demanding every random sub-poverty-line Americans Do Something About It could propose courses of action instead of just fedposting at us. I get it you feel helpless about The Horrors despite wanting to act. Welcome to the American Experience.
like idk maybe i am overemphasizing it a little, it's hard to tell from inside the house, y'know? but like. historically speaking. all the examples *americans* like to pull from to claim "at least we're not *that* bad", we don't have legs to stand on! we just have been convinced we do! infuriating
on the US history front, I agree. There are real issues with the foundations of the country and centuries of aggressive war that it took to expand from the tiniest corners of this continent to where we stand today. it's not just the wars but the outright treachery involved from the earliest days.
"I’m not excusing the horrible actions we as a nation have done But many of us will not be able to afford rent if we just take a couple hours off work to protest Strikes don’t work if you have to sacrifice everyone who would die wo med care, food, & rent cuz we have no money. They aren’t expendable"
My God, you guys are so out of touch that it must be causing permanent damage. There's no getting rid of a fascist government by begging. It's very comfortable for you to live while we suffer because of you.
