Citizenship and nativity

did:plc:moqehfuxh52tjv55csyuiqts · 2025-12-30T06:28:01.510Z

None of us have ever had that. It's always served the government, and that's mostly been the Tories, and their right wing at that.

Discussions about UK citizenship, dual/foreign nationality and nativity. Documents mention whether individuals have revoked or retained another country's citizenship and state that Brits across parties "valuing nativity as an important characteristic of good citizenship."

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How do you frame a question like this to Scottish people who have a different view on the Union than you do? My partner...
""The enemies of Scottish Nationalism are not the English, for they were ever a great and generous folk, quick to respond when justice calls. Our real enemies are among us, born without imagination." R.B. Cunninghame Graham (founding member of @scottishlabour & Scottish National Party (SNP)"
12/30/25, 11:50 AM
I think he's proud of being British as he's fine with Scotland's needs being overruled by people not living in Scotland. Weird concept to defend tbh ( works best when you grew up in England I suppose)
In 2019, I ran a conjoint experiment asking Brits about attributes of a good citizen. We see supporters *of all parties*...
"In 2019, I ran a conjoint experiment asking Brits about attributes of a good citizen. We see supporters *of all parties* valuing nativity as an important characteristic of good citizenship. I suspect these views have only calcified in time. journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1..."
12/30/25, 11:46 AM
Wow, UKippers/ReFuk/MAGA all seem to think they are Christian. An they're all thorough breds. Nothing could be further from the truth.
12/30/25, 11:32 AM
Scots voters chose to be part of the United Kingdom in 2014. Thats only 3 political cycles ago. The pro UK message landed in 2014. But is on the slide. Scots have democracy in oor veins & like the Dem voters in the USA, they will use democracy to win. Yet Westminster deny us oor democracy.
12/30/25, 11:30 AM
I imagine the same number would also say that Britons must be born white too.
12/30/25, 11:28 AM
The issue is not how they have gained their UK citizenship; it's whether they have also revoked (or gained - this equally applies to those born with British-only citizenship who have since acquired a second one) their citizenship of another country.
12/30/25, 11:21 AM
Just wondering about those UK citizens, like my daughter, who acquired Irish citizenship (without setting foot in Ireland) following Brexit. They now have dual citizenship, so being consistent, they are all now subject to having their UK citizenship revoked given the right circumstances.
12/30/25, 11:16 AM
David I think the Begim case underlines exactly why differentiating between citizens is inacceptsble - once you create a “second class” category of citizens with weaker rights then governments will be tempted to expand that second class group. Exactly what has already happened here.
12/30/25, 11:13 AM
They're not held to a different standard; they would have a different punishment applied. Besides, holding dual nationality is, by its nature, a different form of citizenship, with different - and potentially conflicting - rights and obligations.
12/30/25, 11:05 AM
I think there is a case for more actively asking people whether they really do want their dual nationality and being clearer about the risks and benefits that it brings but I wouldn't ban it outright.
12/30/25, 11:03 AM
But we do banish foreigners quite happily, or reject their entry (and on far lesser grounds)? So there is an equivalent process and practice already in place.
12/30/25, 10:53 AM
I think the position which is simplest, most coherent and most consistent with norms of citizenship and the rule of law (“all equal under the law”) is for dual nationals to be treated the same by the legal system as nationals. Same punishment for same crimes.
12/30/25, 10:52 AM
If it's genuinely a second-class form of citizenship then why do people put up with it? Fundamentally, I don't think there *is* a equality of citizenship if some people also have rights and obligations elsewhere too.
12/30/25, 10:52 AM
And as a Brit I would love out and can’t. I do t have the luxury of applying for another passport because of my grandparents or where I was born. I don’t recognise this version of British.
12/30/25, 10:50 AM
That is certainly not an accurate account of the motives for the IPPR, a centre-left think-tank, commissioning this YouGov poll. It does not seem plausible for why YouGov did this themselves either yougov.co.uk/society/arti...
""The enemies of Scottish Nationalism are not the English, for they were ever a great and generous folk, quick to respond when justice calls. Our real enemies are among us, born without imagination." R.B. Cunninghame Graham (founding member of @scottishlabour & Scottish National Party (SNP)"
12/30/25, 10:47 AM
How do you frame a question like this to Scottish people who have a different view on the Union than you do? My partner doesn’t see things like that in any way, for instance, yet he is a very proud Scot.
12/30/25, 10:42 AM
How can there be patriotism without a single thought given to millions suffering long covid and clinically vulnerable left without vaccines. Patriotism that excludes millions of British citizens! They even platformed an antivaxxer in their conference.
12/30/25, 10:18 AM
Support is comparatively low and exists alongside components of citizenship that value effort. In a positive sum world, this suggests good citizenship is many things. But belonging is zero sum where immigration is politicized. bsky.app/profile/sara...
12/30/25, 10:17 AM
The proportion of people who think you must be born British to be truly British has almost doubled, from 19% in 2023 to 36% in 2025. But the majority (51%) still believe being British is something you can become with effort. Read more here: www.ippr.org/articles/the...
https://www.ippr.org/articles/the...
12/30/25, 10:12 AM
Number of people who say Britons must be born in UK is rising, study shows
12/30/25, 10:01 AM
Very frustrating to be a Scot, dragged out the EU by racists and idiots, and now seeing Americans being handed rights which I am being denied. George and Amal are cool though.
12/30/25, 09:58 AM
In 2019, I ran a conjoint experiment asking Brits about attributes of a good citizen. We see supporters *of all parties* valuing nativity as an important characteristic of good citizenship. I suspect these views have only calcified in time. journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1...
12/30/25, 09:40 AM
Every so often a British person of colour offends the chattering classes to the extent that they are willing to overrule 1000 years of habeas corpus to just make them go away I said this in 2014 and 2019 and it’s still true today www.politico.eu/article/brit...
https://www.politico.eu/article/brit...
12/30/25, 09:36 AM
I’ve always believed we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Yet still surprised at those calling for removal of dual national’s UK citizenship when they themselves, by descent or religion, would be vulnerable to same fate should a future government dislike what they say.
"The Home Secretary can revoke your citizenship for non-criminal activities" is such a dangerous line to cross and I fee...
12/30/25, 09:28 AM
Should not be possible in the UK.
12/30/25, 09:16 AM
If we want to be pedantic about it. It's an intricate hierarchy, not just a two-tier system. I'd compare it to Singapore's workpass system, layered on top of so many different "intersections" of citizenship, class, caste, gender, local/global market value, etc.
Oh, obv we’d also have to do something that the Home Secretary considered v bad. But that’s somehow not terribly reassur...
12/30/25, 09:11 AM
‘Im a foreign born child of Brit and immigrant who is very conscious of all this every time a form asks for nationality and place of birth. Pretty sure I’m not the primary target of this vicious BS but it all has a way of spreading.
12/30/25, 08:58 AM
Oh, obv we’d also have to do something that the Home Secretary considered v bad. But that’s somehow not terribly reassuring these days… & likely to get less so in future, I can imagine a future where Home Secretary Lee Anderson considers me (like Begum, a Brit-born child of an immigrant) undesirable
12/30/25, 08:35 AM
“When asked what made a good British citizen, the most popular answers were obeying the law (64%), raising children to be kind (62%) and working hard (48%). Just 8% said it involved sticking up for British-born people above other groups, and 3% said it involved having white skin.” TL;DR a minority
12/30/25, 08:28 AM
I know it’s old fashioned but I think there are inbuilt constraints on public reason which put certain topics off the menu of public discourse. Depriving someone of their citizenship is definitely one of those.
12/30/25, 08:26 AM
I assume the same people will be returning every Olympic medal and sporting accolade accordingly? Oh and banning the ~70% of footballers who are foreign nationals from playing in the Premier League? Right?
12/30/25, 08:14 AM
NEW BLOG: Ethno-nationalist views have doubled since 2023, but most people still think Britishness is about shared values, not ancestry. Our new blog digs into the polling — and sets out why progressives need alternative vision of the nation, fast. Read here: www.ippr.org/articles/the...
https://www.ippr.org/articles/the...
12/30/25, 08:11 AM
When you boil it down, these people mean ‘white and born in Britain’.
12/30/25, 07:42 AM
Presumably they want UK by descent and born in UK. Both of these are nonsense but by descent without the weird eugenics at least means you cannot accidentally be stateless which is illegal under international law — but nonetheless happened to me. And UK took me in (through descent).
"There should be literally no circumstances, ever, where citizenship is can be revoked. If you literally sign up to fight for an opposing army in a war, then we should prosecute you for treason not revoke citizenship"
12/30/25, 06:50 AM
He lied to get a British passport. Talk about karma!
12/30/25, 06:28 AM
None of us have ever had that. It's always served the government, and that's mostly been the Tories, and their right wing at that.

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